Five9's AI Revenue Grew 78% — and Arrived at a Lower Margin Than the Seats It Replaces
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The bear case on seat-priced contact-center software is that AI voice agents destroy the billable human agent. At Five9 the seats are not shrinking — management says concurrent agent counts are growing in line with contact-center revenue, and dollar-based retention was 107%. What is shrinking is the margin: gross margin fell to 53.4% from 54.9% a year earlier as inference costs landed in cost of revenue, so gross profit grew 7.3% against revenue up 10.3%. The AI attach is real and it is dilutive.
The shares have run far ahead of that. Five9 now costs 3.81x its trailing gross profit against 2.36x in February, a 61% re-rating while trailing gross profit grew 4.9%. RingCentral, the cheapest of the three at 13.3x forward earnings, at least de-levered to 1.5x net debt and tripled net income. Zoom, up a quarter in a month, has disclosed nothing since May and reports on 25 August.
| Ticker | Company | Segment | Trend · 13mo | 30D | 1Y |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The subject · what this brief is about | |||||
FIVN | Five9 | Communications & Collaboration | 🌱 Emerging Bull | +20.8% | +18.8% |
RNG | RingCentral | Communications & Collaboration | 🟢 Cont. Bull | +73.5% | +117.5% |
ZM | Zoom Communications | Communications & Collaboration | 🟢 Cont. Bull | +17.4% | +30.3% |
| Compared against · context, not the story | |||||
BOX | Box | Communications & Collaboration | 🌱 Emerging Bull | +15.5% | +2.7% |
NICE | NICE | Customer Experience & CRM | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +15.7% | −29.5% |
CRM | Salesforce | Customer Experience & CRM | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +15.2% | −15.3% |
NOW | ServiceNow | Specialized Enterprise Solutions | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +16.1% | −27.6% |
MNDY | monday.com | Other | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +3.7% | −49.2% |
HUBS | HubSpot | Customer Experience & CRM | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +0.8% | −49.4% |
INTU | Intuit | Enterprise Resource Planning | 🔴 Cont. Bear | +16.8% | −44.5% |
12-month price & trend
| Ticker | Mkt cap | P/E | P/E fwd | P/S | P/S fwd | P/GP | P/GP fwd | EV/EBITDA | FCF yld |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
FIVN | $2.5B | 43.1x | 10.1x | 2.1x | 2.0x | 3.8x | 3.6x | 15.2x | 7.9% |
RNG | $5.8B | 51.9x | 13.3x | 2.2x | 2.2x | 3.1x | 3.0x | 20.8x | 11.6% |
ZM | $31.5B | 15.5x | 17.8x | 6.4x | 6.2x | 8.3x | 8.0x | 11.0x | 6.2% |
| Ticker | Mkt cap | P/E | P/E fwd | P/S | P/S fwd | P/GP | P/GP fwd | EV/EBITDA | FCF yld |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
BOX | $4.5B | 48.2x | 20.6x | 3.7x | 3.5x | 4.7x | 4.4x | 28.7x | 7.8% |
NICE | $5.9B | 14.2x | 9.0x | 1.9x | 1.9x | 2.9x | 2.9x | 6.8x | 10.8% |
CRM | $171.3B | 24.1x | 14.8x | 4.0x | 3.7x | 5.2x | 4.8x | 14.6x | 8.6% |
| Ticker | Mkt cap | P/E | P/E fwd | P/S | P/S fwd | P/GP | P/GP fwd | EV/EBITDA | FCF yld |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
NOW | $132.8B | 79.8x | 31.6x | 9.0x | 8.2x | 12.1x | 11.0x | 39.8x | 3.4% |
MNDY | $3.8B | 38.0x | 16.6x | 2.8x | 2.6x | 3.2x | 2.9x | 34.1x | 7.8% |
HUBS | $12.3B | 84.8x | 18.1x | 3.6x | 3.3x | 4.3x | 4.0x | 40.8x | 6.2% |
| Ticker | Mkt cap | P/E | P/E fwd | P/S | P/S fwd | P/GP | P/GP fwd | EV/EBITDA | FCF yld |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
INTU | $89.0B | 19.7x | 11.9x | 4.3x | 3.7x | 5.2x | 4.6x | 13.0x | 8.7% |
Consensus projections
| Ticker | FY2026E | FY2027E | FY2028E | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
FIVN | Revenue | +9.5% | +9.9% | +10.6% |
| EPS | +10.5% | +18.0% | +16.6% | |
RNG | Revenue | +5.1% | +4.6% | +4.4% |
| EPS | +16.4% | +11.1% | +10.8% | |
ZM | Revenue | +4.2% | +4.8% | +4.0% |
| EPS | +9.7% | +1.3% | +4.0% | |
BOX | Revenue | +7.8% | +9.0% | +8.1% |
| EPS | −24.4% | +22.4% | +14.3% | |
NICE | Revenue | +8.2% | +9.1% | +11.8% |
| EPS | −8.9% | +13.7% | +22.2% | |
CRM | Revenue | +9.3% | +11.1% | +9.4% |
| EPS | +17.4% | +20.2% | +10.4% | |
NOW | Revenue | +22.4% | +18.7% | +18.6% |
| EPS | +17.1% | +23.2% | +21.4% | |
MNDY | Revenue | +19.8% | +15.2% | +14.9% |
| EPS | +27.8% | +22.3% | +19.1% | |
HUBS | Revenue | +18.2% | +14.2% | +14.0% |
| EPS | +38.2% | +25.7% | +18.6% | |
INTU | Revenue | +13.9% | +11.3% | +10.8% |
| EPS | +18.5% | +15.0% | +12.6% |
Forward fiscal years only. Blank means no analyst coverage for that year.
Five9 sells the software that runs corporate call centers — routing voice, chat and email to human agents — and it bills for it by the seat. In the June quarter it sold considerably more artificial intelligence. Revenue from AI products rose 78% to roughly $39m, an annual run rate above $150m, and now accounts for about 15% of subscription revenue against 9% a year earlier, according to the company's second-quarter disclosures. Management raised its full-year AI growth target to at least 60% and lifted revenue guidance to $1.266bn-$1.272bn.
It also earned less on each dollar. Gross margin fell to 53.4% from 54.9% a year earlier and 55.9% in the prior quarter, so gross profit grew 7.3% while revenue grew 10.3%. The adjusted figure tells the same story, slipping to 61.4% from 63.0%. Inference is a cost of goods sold. Selling an AI agent is not the same business as licensing a seat, and the reported margin now says so.
The seats are not disappearing
The widely held fear is that each automated conversation deletes a billable human. That is not yet visible. Five9's last-twelve-month subscription dollar-based retention was 107%, and management said concurrent agent seat counts are growing in line with contact-center revenue. Total revenue growth has accelerated three quarters running, to 10.3%. A Fortune 100 financial-services win worth about $100m in contract value will ramp to $25m of annual recurring revenue.
RingCentral, which sells cloud business telephony and is ranked first in unified-communications cloud PBX seats by Synergy Research, is monetizing the same idea from the other end. Customers using at least one paid native AI product now represent about 13% of its $2.8bn of annual recurring revenue, double a year ago, and its AI Receptionist product passed 16,000 paying customers, up 400%. Unlike Five9, its gross profit grew faster than revenue — 7.0% against 5.9% — at a 71.9% margin. Operating income rose 36% to $50.3m and net income tripled to $39.1m. It also raised the dividend 67% and cut leverage to 1.5x net debt to EBITDA, with gross debt heading toward $1.00bn from $1.64bn at the end of 2022.
Zoom is the control, because it has disclosed nothing. Its last report, on 21 May, showed revenue of $1.239bn up 5.5%, a 77.9% gross margin and operating income up 28.5%; enterprise revenue grew 7.2% while online monthly churn worsened to 3.0% from 2.8% and paid AI Companion users grew 184%. Its next print lands on 25 August.
What the price is now paying
Because gross margins across these businesses differ by more than 20 points, the comparable lens is what a buyer pays for a dollar of trailing gross profit. Five9 costs 3.81x, against 2.58x in May and 2.36x in February — a 61% re-rating over six months in which trailing gross profit grew 4.9%, from $628.0m to $658.6m. RingCentral has gone from 1.90x to 3.11x, up 64% on 3.6% gross-profit growth, though it remains the cheapest name here at 13.3x forward earnings with an 11.6% free-cash-flow yield. Zoom has moved only from 7.16x to 8.25x, and carries the lowest enterprise value to EBITDA of the group at 11.0x — but its forward price/earnings of 17.8x sits above its 15.5x trailing multiple, meaning reported earnings are flattered by non-operating gains and consensus expects earnings per share to fall. Consensus sees no acceleration anywhere: Five9 near 10%, RingCentral 5.1% then 4.6%, Zoom 4.8% then 4.0%.
The month's gains were not earned the same way. Strip Five9's two best sessions — the 19.8% jump the day after its 6 August print and an 18.2% late-July gap — and the remaining sessions compound to 0.8%. RingCentral keeps 28% after removing its earnings day and the session that followed; Zoom keeps 11.2% while disclosing nothing. Macro helped: July producer prices came in flat on 13 August and the S&P 500 hit a record, and on 18 August money rotated from semiconductors into software after Anthropic's $65bn run-rate disclosure landed below expectations. But NICE, the largest contact-center vendor at 22.2% revenue share, is down 27% over twelve months in which these three rose between 28% and 130%. This is not a sector bounce.
It is also not a settled market. Five9 is third at 13.1% share behind NICE and Genesys at 19.7%; NICE bought conversational-AI vendor Cognigy for $955m, Salesforce and ServiceNow put $1.5bn into Genesys, and Salesforce's own Agentforce Contact Center went generally available in February with native access to customer data Five9 must integrate to reach.
The setup
Where it stands — AI is selling into these customer bases faster than it is deleting seats, but at Five9 it is arriving below corporate gross margin.
Would confirm — Five9 gross margin stabilizing at or above 53.4% next quarter while AI revenue growth holds near 60%.
Would invalidate — Dollar-based retention falling below 100% at Five9, or paid-AI ARR share stalling near 13% at RingCentral.
Watch next — Zoom reports its July quarter on 25 August, its first disclosure since 21 May.
Valuation — Five9 at 3.81x trailing and 3.65x forward gross profit against 2.36x in February; RingCentral 3.11x against 1.90x.











